This slightly pointless Turk scene establishes that (a) Rude doesn't talk much (b) Elena talks too much (c) the Turks have been assigned to obstruct us and (d) they're tracking Sephiroth.
...(e), there's been sightings of Sephiroth in Junon and that's why the party should head there. It's a silly and meandering scene but it is punching its plot card.
Tifa doesn't roll her eyes and say, "With you, cheesehead!" Instead, she gives an oddly tentative, "We saw each other, right?"
Is she asking to test his memory, or is she doubting hers? And why would that be in question, when she spent the whole day hiking up the mountain with him and Sephiroth?
I don't think Tifa's "We saw each other, right?" is about testing anyone's memory, I think she's legitimately confused by him asking (though probably also nervous about why he's asking such a question, and yeah, that she answers this way instead of going "you moron" might not stand out for first players but will get everyone else facepalming). Cloud's already accounted for them reuniting in his telling of Nibelheim, so, why is this an issue for him, is how I'd take it. And then Cloud's "The other time" is another place where I would guess a vagary got lost in translation; he was prompted by the voice to ask this, and the voice specified that it didn't mean when she was being their guide. "When you went to Mt. Nibel then, Tifa was your guide, right? But where was Tifa other than that?"
Why didn't Cloud ever see Tifa outside of her role as mountain guide for the SOLDIERs? The whole weirdness at issue here is that, as Aerith succinctly interjected during the retelling (and in fact I wouldn't be surprised if her declaration was what got Cloud's voice thinking "OH YEAH wait something's up here pst nimrod go ask Tifa") is that Cloud coming back to Nibelheim is a "reunion of childhood pals". He was there for several days and was actually explicitly given time by Sephiroth to visit friends and family before the climb... and he has no memory of any personal conversation with his childhood friend. I don't think he's asking about any specific incident but rather the gaps in between: why didn't they do something together? If he's specifically referring to any particular time, it's probably when he went to her house and she wasn't there. (...Though...I still find it really, really hard to believe Cloud actually would go there, given the real situation. He must have, given the details of the letter? But it just doesn't seem to make sense for him to do.)
My take on it anyway.
Once again, I'd like to know why Barret feels solely responsible for Corel's destruction.
There's definitely holes in the writing for this segment. To me this always seemed like the flashback scene should have gone a little further to show him talking down Dyne, who was the one standing in the way--so he feels like he should have realized his best friend was right and stood with him against it, making it even worse that he was the one who talked Dyne down. Even then he wouldn't be solely responsible, but it's not like people are rational with feeling guilty... But then we still run into the problem of why the Corel survivors seem to uniformly think that Barret's the one to blame for everything. It's like there's a scene or exposition missing to explain why Barret would be more at fault than anyone else involved.
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Date: 2013-10-02 05:41 am (UTC)...(e), there's been sightings of Sephiroth in Junon and that's why the party should head there. It's a silly and meandering scene but it is punching its plot card.
Tifa doesn't roll her eyes and say, "With you, cheesehead!" Instead, she gives an oddly tentative, "We saw each other, right?"
Is she asking to test his memory, or is she doubting hers? And why would that be in question, when she spent the whole day hiking up the mountain with him and Sephiroth?
I don't think Tifa's "We saw each other, right?" is about testing anyone's memory, I think she's legitimately confused by him asking (though probably also nervous about why he's asking such a question, and yeah, that she answers this way instead of going "you moron" might not stand out for first players but will get everyone else facepalming). Cloud's already accounted for them reuniting in his telling of Nibelheim, so, why is this an issue for him, is how I'd take it. And then Cloud's "The other time" is another place where I would guess a vagary got lost in translation; he was prompted by the voice to ask this, and the voice specified that it didn't mean when she was being their guide. "When you went to Mt. Nibel then, Tifa was your guide, right? But where was Tifa other than that?"
Why didn't Cloud ever see Tifa outside of her role as mountain guide for the SOLDIERs? The whole weirdness at issue here is that, as Aerith succinctly interjected during the retelling (and in fact I wouldn't be surprised if her declaration was what got Cloud's voice thinking "OH YEAH wait something's up here pst nimrod go ask Tifa") is that Cloud coming back to Nibelheim is a "reunion of childhood pals". He was there for several days and was actually explicitly given time by Sephiroth to visit friends and family before the climb... and he has no memory of any personal conversation with his childhood friend. I don't think he's asking about any specific incident but rather the gaps in between: why didn't they do something together? If he's specifically referring to any particular time, it's probably when he went to her house and she wasn't there. (...Though...I still find it really, really hard to believe Cloud actually would go there, given the real situation. He must have, given the details of the letter? But it just doesn't seem to make sense for him to do.)
My take on it anyway.
Once again, I'd like to know why Barret feels solely responsible for Corel's destruction.
There's definitely holes in the writing for this segment. To me this always seemed like the flashback scene should have gone a little further to show him talking down Dyne, who was the one standing in the way--so he feels like he should have realized his best friend was right and stood with him against it, making it even worse that he was the one who talked Dyne down. Even then he wouldn't be solely responsible, but it's not like people are rational with feeling guilty... But then we still run into the problem of why the Corel survivors seem to uniformly think that Barret's the one to blame for everything. It's like there's a scene or exposition missing to explain why Barret would be more at fault than anyone else involved.